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Luizpratta Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2015
I'm a fan of Bryne art and it's very good to see his crossover arts.
Phenometron Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2014
You can't stop Batman. No one can.
Dboy12 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Good thing Venom, Carnage, and Poison aren't here. 
ZaidFouquette Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
Cool image and we all know how it'll turn out:
Rhino's a joke.
Doc Ock and Vulture will be interesting fights but they'll both go down pretty easily they're average guys with huge weak spots.
Sandman will get a combo of all the counter-strategies Bats mastered against every Clayface.
Mysterio will be one of the best mindgame fights Batman ever had (for the fans reading the comic or seeing the cartoon to see)
And Bats vs Green Goblin will be some of the best aerial combat ever.

Sigh, if only Marvel vs DC had been more of THIS instead of the Hero V Hero nonsense.
nenmeu2 Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
GOOOOOOOO BATMAN....I LOVE are he best and you will take them down
ragdollfun Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
Awesome! :D
horrorfan93 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2013
if you think about it batman & spiderman's enemies aren't much different from each other
ragdollfun Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
True, but Spider-Man is much closer in character to Nightwing than to Batman. ;)
horrorfan93 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
Are you making that assumption because there both the near the same age?
ragdollfun Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
It's not just about the age, but more about the quips. Both Spider-Man and Nightwing like to taunt their adversaries with annoying comments and clever come-backs.
horrorfan93 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
True as with most comic book characters their personality's depend on who writing the story. 
ogrebear Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Awesome and Class.
orabich Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
great work!

:gallery: [link]
CJRogue Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
sweet i love this
Lpsalsaman Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Awesome work! Love the old school "baddies" as you gave them their original colors and uniforms! The backgrounds are excellent and the whole scene's perspective is tops! Like the fact that the Rhino's uniform actually has texture like the real ones!
jihef03 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2012
I guess Batsy is pretty fuck*d !
nenmeu2 Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
MightyMorphinPower4 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2012
Awesome work
XIZOR-1 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Because he's the goddamn Batman!
Jose-Ramiro Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Y los derrota con el Bati-Cinturón. Tiene de todo ahi.
HeavyMetalArtwork Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Batman is totally screwed, even just Dr. Octopus would rip his limbs off. Just another reason Spidey could beat Batman any day.. Nice drawing btw! :horns:
nenmeu2 Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
LAME.....spidey can't beat batm
HeavyMetalArtwork Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oh ok...
Generalobiwankenobi7 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hardly, this fight will be tough but considering the baddies Batman fights I think he can handle these guys.

Besides in a fight between Batman and Spider-man I would have to go with Batman.
XeketDarkhand Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Just go watch the death battle... They aren't always right, but they were pretty accurate with bats vs spidey. Batmans cool and you could argue he's more popular but in a fight he would loose in spidermans world.
Even though batman has fought some super villeins, for the most part his enemies are just crazy dude in costumes, or who have slight deformities. Also they keep capturing him rather then killing him so they can place him in escapable death traps.  Spidermans villiens just want to kill the hero even if they sometimes monologue. He could win against one of the villains at a time, but all of them would be to much for him.

Now Bats VS Spiderman is an easy outcome.

Strength - Winner Spiderman
- Batman roughly 1100lbs if I remember
- Spiderman 10tons to 40 tons depending. Either way at the least that's 20,000lbs so he wins in strength. Could turn bats into chilly with even a simi serious punch.

Intelligence  - Winner Batman
- Peter is still a genius so it's not like the lead would be like batman outsmarting croc. He doesn't have to be smarter... Just smart enough. The idea of someone with a higher IQ will always win is ridiculous. All assets must equal up. So Batman would need more then JUST intelligence to defeat an enemy who is also smart.

Reflexes - Winner Spiderman
 - Batman has good reflexes but spiderman has spider sense and can not only dodge bullets but can do it when he's not even paying attention or expecting it. So traps batman sets are likely not even going to work if Spidey steps right into them.

Agility - Winner Spiderman
- Spiderman is probably one of if not the most agile comic characters in existence. Batmans a trained ninja but his skill is nothing like the inhuman agility of spider man. This also means his reflexes can be used to an even higher degree because if he has a way to dodge he likely will.

Costume - Winner Spiderman
- Spiderman's costume doesn't hinder him whatsoever. It's even said by other spider powered characters wearing the same suit it's almost like being completely naked. Depending on the batman your talking about he wears rubber, armor, or even has a mask that won't let his head turn. As someone who takes classes that involve fighting in armor let me tell you that any armor becomes hindering a little bit even when your very used to fighting in it. Much less a billowy cape for someone to grab.

Speed - Winner Spiderman
- Seeing that spider man has a lot of muscle and is rather small and skinny he likely has above human speed as well. Although web slinging is obviously faster, it's reasonable to say he could out run most cars. Lean muscle is perfect for running.

Gadgets/Equipment - Winner Batman
- Batman has a lot of gear so I would give him the advantage... But spidermans web shooters can do so many things. He can make nets, shoot web bullets, make parachutes.... So It's still rather close. I would say the web shooters are better then most of batmans gear, but he wins because he simply has so much of it.

Resilience - Winner Spiderman
- He has shrugged off things that would kill batman, like having building colaps on him, granades going off right next to him, and all sorts of other things that would kill even an armored human at close range. He's a super human so it should be expected.

Experience - Spiderman
- Both have been fighting for quite a while so it's not the length of fighting I judge this on. It's the fact that most of spidermans foes are as strong or stronger then him that make this go his way. Batman has some experience fighting foes stronger then him, but most of his enemies are weaker then him. Normal guys who are just nuts and who aren't even in good shape. The danger is in the traps they set or using batman's morals against him. The villain closest to batman for spiderman is Mysterio. A normal guy using special effects and tricks to fight. And he is usually a bit of a joke villain if you really look at him. He would be a better villain for batman. But Spidey doesn't normally have much trouble from him at all.

Powers - Winner Spiderman
- No contest. Batman is just a man at the end of the day and spider man is a super human. He has a healing factor ((Not as strong as wolverines))  spider sense, increased physical abilities, can stick to walls. Can take huge punishment... Just no contest.

All in all - Winner Spiderman
- Batman beats his foes with fore-planning more then anything else and it just doesn't work if he and spidey just met on the street. It would just be him vs the weird guy in the red suit he knows nothing about. Even if he did have time to plan he would only be slightly better off. Spiderman doesn't have one really exploitable weekness like each member of the JL. DC likes to make god characters with a highly exploitable weakness like a magic rock, or wood or something.  Marvel just make enemies stronger then the heroes and doesn't give the heroes a set weakness. So bats wouldn't be able to be like "Ha I have that thing your week agiesnt!" He would have to trap spiderman which he isn't likely to do because of the spider sense.  If both have no plan time and know nothing about each other then Spidey might even overestimate batman as a super villien because of the bat costume and might not hold back enough like he would agiesnt a common mugger and just streight kill him by accident. Spiderman is a cautious fighter who prefers to shoot webing from a distance to test his enemies so batman wouldn't be able to force him into close fighting. Also he has his spider sense so batman could not use his stealth to get the drop on him. And he's used to dogging batterrangs and granades thanks to the greengoblin and hobgoblin. Batman doesn't bring anything new to the table for spiderman. He is smart but Spiderman is not dumb enough for that to matter. He over classes the bat in to many ways.
Generalobiwankenobi7 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Really? Months later Spiderman fans still feel the need to prove me wrong? Geez. Alright, fine I'll give you the run down for why Batman would defeat Spiderman.

First off, yes I've seen Screwattacks little Death Battle and I still state otherwise. They did not assess all of Batman's capabilities and severely underestimated him.

Batman's villains are also underestimated as just being crazies in costume and deformed lunatics. That is hardly the case. To defeat any of them, Joker, Riddler, Two-face, Poison Ivy, or Penguin you need to be able to think several steps ahead of each, which is a challenge in itself because each are disturbingly brilliant and are responsible for some of the most destructive crimes in the DCU. Then there are true masterminds like Ra's Al Ghul, Bane, Black Mask, Hugo Strange, Hush, Dr Hurt, and Penguin. Also, there are a lot of superhumans in Batman's rogue's gallery as well. His villains run the gauntlet. Then there's all the battle he's faced as a member of the Justice League, and the threats he's had to deal with there.

Really? Yeah, each of Spiderman's villains has also made the mistake of doing that, it's supervillain syndrome.

Strength matter little against Batman. His overall fighting skill makes that hard for someone of Spiderman's level of strength to make it an advantage. And if we're going with punching power Batman has not only taken hits from beings with power near Superman's level and remained conscious, he's also capable of delivering punches that would floor beings with tremendous levels of physical resilience. Raw strength is not the only source of Batman's striking power, it also is derived from the kinetic motion in his movements. The movement in his wrist, arm, and shoulders along with proper body alignment allows him to throw shots that make in more powerful than with muscular strength alone. That's the result of training. Deathstroke, an enhanced human himself, observed from fighting Batman that he hits harder than many beings with superhuman strength thanks to this. So Spiderman's strength isn't going to make much of a difference.

This isn't just scientific knowledge or IQ we're talking about here, things Batman is still above Peter in, but it's the ability to think several steps ahead of ones opponent, something Batman is a master of. There's a reason he's the JLA's primary tactician and analyst. He's been stated to think on a level far above average humans, and analyze situations at rapid speeds. That's part of what makes such a good detective. Routinely Batman matches wits with people like the Riddler, the Joker, Ra's Al Ghul, Hugo Strange, Black Mask, Penguin, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter, Hush, and Two-face. Those death traps you mentioned, well to get out of them requires incredible quick-thinking, focus, ingenuity, and cunning and Batman does this routinely. His mind is honed to the very peak of human ability while Peter, while also a genius, is not up there. Also, Batman's outsmarted Lex Luthor and even Darkseid on several occasions. So just being smart enough is not enough for Spiderman, Batman will simply be two steps ahead of him.

Reflexes are again, only a part of it. Batman's reflexes are not only fast enough to dodge gunfire, but his sense of timing and ability to spot the gun movement allow him to get out of the path of the bullet before it fires. This is superior timing, which is far more important than speedy reflexes. This ability also extends to human body movement, similar to Cassandra Cain, Batman can read telegraphed movement and anticipate motion before the person moves. He can do this against opponents with high speed movements as well, so he can simply watch how Spidey's body tenses before in leaps to avoid his attacks.

Agility is also only part of it. Not going to help much if your enemy can anticipate your movements and keep you off balance. Also, Batman is more than just a training ninja, he's at the very peak of human agility. He doesn't need to be more agile, just enough.

Batman's costume combines form with function. Not only does it allow him full freedom of movement while giving excellent protection, but it's outfitted with all kinds of defense systems. Meaning it's dangerous even to get close to Batman unless you have overwhelming numbers. And he can certainly turn his head. The cape is also not really a hazard because it detaches automatically from a magnetic clasp if pulled on. Batman thinks of everything.

Speed is not as important compared to timing and accuracy. Often for fighters speed is an illusion created by accuracy. Here's an an example. Batman has fought an enemy named the Human Flea who, as his namesake, has superhuman speed and agility. Batman was quick and skilled enough to lasso him as he was jumping from building to building. He also hit him with a batarang in mid air during their second fight. Another super fast opponent, Will Payton, Batman tripped him up as he tried to rush him. Another superspeed opponent named Hotshot tried attacking Batman from behind, Batman heard the movement and immediately reacted in time to strike him.

The gear is a definite advantage because it gives Batman the ability to control the battlefield. Hypersonics, flash bangs, gas bombs, all of this can throw Spiderman off balance and impair his Spidersense and equilibrium. He also keep chemicals to melt certain substances, so the webbing is a waste.

Do you know how much punishment Batman has taken and survived? More than any human possibly could. Buildings have fallen on him, he's survived third degree burns, taken hits from superhumans, and even had his back broken.

Experience is definitely something Batman has over Spiderman. Spiderman is still only in his late twenties now. Batman's been doing this since he was twenty-two and is near forty. Batman has alot of experience fighting opponents stronger than him, that's part of his whole stick, and quite a variety too. Perhaps more than Spiderman. Don't even get me started on the foes he's had to face as a member of the Justice League and the Outsiders. He's also a lot more experienced in matching wits with an opponent and outsmarting him. In the beginning Spiderman mainly relied on luck, some major quick think and his powers to win his battles. Batman had to do it without powers. He's had training however, in practically every major fighting style on the planet. That training and skills have been honed further by years and years of experience. The danger of Batman's villains is psychological, but also the fact they are almost or just as smart and clever as Batman. Also, bad shape? Ra's Al Ghul, Bane, Shiva, Croc, and Grundy? Hardly. You give Batman and his enemies too little credit. While Spiderman fights dopes like Electro, Rhino, Lizard, Sandman, Hydroman, Scorpian, and Shocker, who are not very bright at all. Also, Kingpin, Green Goblin, Mysterio, Kraven are all very similar to opponents Batman has fought, as is Sandman, Lizard and Rhino to Clayface, Man-bat and Solomon Grundy, the latter two of which is far stronger than Spiderman physically. And Mysterio certainly wasn't a joke the first several times he appeared. Writers just quickly disregarded him. Due to his mastery of over 127 different fighting styles and techniques, his years of experience, and quick-thinking Batman is extremely adaptable in a fight.

Powers mean little against someone as supremely skilled as Batman. I just listed why.

I disagree. First off, the statement that Batman beats most of his enemies with "prep time" is a gross exaggeration. Really, most of his fights when you look at it are won by him noticing every detail of the situation he's in, analyzing it, and making a plan to take advantage of it on the spot. And he's been doing this a lot longer than Spiderman has. He may not have know Spiderman beforehand, but he can certainly figure out how his powers work and how to counter them simply by observing him as they fight and keeping him off balance until he creates an advantage.

Spiderman has several exploitable weaknesses. one is his over-reliance on his Spidersense in battle. It will be quite simple for Batman to deduce that Spiderman has an ability to anticipate danger, and will simply hit him with flashbangs, hypersonic blasts, or nerve gas to incapacitate him. Also, while he may be resilient against high impact strikes, pressure point techniques can certainly work against him, and Batman knows every functioning of the human body and how to disable it. Not just induce pain but disable it.

You seriously give too much credit to Marvel, dozens of their enemies have highly exploitable weaknesses. Venom, sound. Sandman, water or extreme heat. Same with Electro on the water part.

As I've said, Batman has numerous ways to disable spidersense. Also, Spiderman's spidersense didn't help much against Captain America, who nearly beat him in Civil War but had to retreat because his comrades were in danger. Spidey only landed a blow on him due to the suit Tony Stark gave him. You want to use Death Battles as an example Batman according to them can defeat Captain America. Kind of contradicts their Batman and Spiderman battle then.

Batman is also a cautious fighter and when he fights an unknown opponent with possible superhuman powers he keeps his distance while keeping his opponent off balance then when he spots an advantage he exploits it. He's a superior strategist than Spiderman so he's more likely to spot an advantage early on. And again, I listed ways to disable spidersense and make it useless, which it is most of the time because it often warns Spiderman too little too late.

The Green Goblin and Hobgoblin might have similar weapons. But their tech and their skills really does pale in comparison to Batman's. If the batarangs don't work he'll use an area attack. And he has several gadgets I doubt Spiderman has seen and can counter easily.

You really think that because Spiderman is smart Batman's own intellect won't be a problem. You seriously need to brush up on the enemies Batman faces because they are each brilliant individuals in their various ways. And Batman needs to be several steps ahead of them to win. He can certainly be several steps ahead of Spiderman. He thinks several steps ahead of people like Superman, Martian Manhunter, and even Darkseid. He's got quite and advantage.

So I'll close off with saying all in all-Winner Batman. He is the night.
XeketDarkhand Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Sometimes I think batman fans are in some type of religion. Taking hits from deathstroke doesn't compare to taking a hit from someone who can lift 10, 25, or even 40 tons. If I remember Deathstroke can lift somewhere around 1500 to 2000lbs and that's probably on the high side. So his max capacity isn't even 1/10 of spiderman. Batman can not take a direct hit from superman... If he ever did that in any comic I'm certain it wasn't cannon and he probably had some type of anti whoimfightingtoday suit.


Spiderman is not just a little better in each of the categories he's better in... He's miles better.

The max speed a human can physically run is 44mph... It has been determined that's the fastest anyone will ever go. The fastest a real man has run is around 28mph but he's batman so lets say he can do whats physically possible. Spiderman can run at about 200mph. 44 vs 200...

Keep in mind despite their size bane and croc can only lift around 2 tons... Most of batmans powerhouse enemies can lift this amount. That's hardly comparable with 10 to 40 tons. So compaired to spiderman Bane and the rest are the insects... Likely they aren't even strong enough to break his web.

Guy who lifts 2 tons breaks batmans back... What will the guy who can lift 10 to 40 do? Much less a guy who's also faster and more agile then batman and with better reflexes.

I mean really... What would our lord and savior batman do against him? To say he wins just because he's the batman is a little silly don't you think? He doesn't have anything in his arsenal on that high of a level. Putting captain america or a marvel human up against him is fine. But saying he would win just cause? I clearly like marvel more just as you like DC, but I'll admit freely that superman would beat spiderman, or something like that. But thats because their are reasons for it.

He would deduce spiderman has spider sence because why? Other people have dodged him before and he didn't go "They must have a magic sense I don't know about." He doesn't just get to guess something without evidence. Dodging is not evidence. And the whole tricking it with flashbangs and gas and whatnot really wouldn't work. The whole point of the ability is to dodge and get out of the way. So he wouldn't be hit by those things. Also his spidersence is not thrown off by things not specificaly designed for it. So if he were to be blinded or even become dizzy to the point where his balance was off, he could still dodge. Like I said though, he's used to dealing with batman type gear. His enemies use it all the time and he dodges it with ease. The spidersence is like wolverines healing factor in the fact that's it's cheep and way over powered. It wasn't designed by marvel to be one of his week points. Sometimes they don't use it well because they want him to take a hit for plot... But then again batman has been knocked out with a lead pipe by the od flunky before and has had his armor stabbed through with a common knife. Bad writing means the five year old next door could beat them both if the writers had a joint to many.

And spiderman has been shown to fight and dodge beyond human capabilities without the spider sense. Venom and carnage are immune to it for some reason and have their own version of it. He manages to dodge them, and even has dodged both at once. So safe to say the spider sense isn't the only cause of his reflexes. He is super human and has superhuman reflexes. With it though batman can't get the drop on him. Like you said batman can dodge bullets with concentration... Spiderman can do it without concentrating. He's been shot at without knowing he was targeted and managed to dodge just by reflex alone. He's been attacked by stealth enemies just like the batman and has dodged them as well.

Spiderman would kill him before he could analyze anything. Because if bane can get a hold of batman then a guy who makes ninja's look like cripples can get ahold of him. And spiderman is smaller then bane so it's less likely it would even be a concern of batman's to stay out of the way. He doesn't look like one of those strong guys batman keeps his distance from. If anything spiderman would be the one who would keep at a safe distance. In most comics, shows, movies and everything else, batman tends to test new enemies in hand to hand. It's what got his back broken... Going into a fight to test his enemy. And yes spiderman can catch him... The only thing batman wins in is his brain. But his mental power isn't precognitive. He wouldn't know better then to try something unless he was sure he shouldn't do it. And when he figured it out would be when it was too late. Spiderman would not be kept "Off balance," as you say. His speed and agility are not close enough to batmans for him to have to try that hard. Also despite the grappling hooks and gliding batman usually fights on flat surfaces, such as building tops or ally ways. He always lands ((Sometimes with an attack)) and then fights on a flat surface. Spiderman will likely fight from vertical walls or upside down making it very hard for batman to fight in a way he's used to. Likely he won't even be able to reach him. Spidey would try to web him up or use concussive web to knock him out. Might even web his foot and just smack him around.

At that point the throwing weapons would be used. Spiderman would dodge, or web sling them back at him before they exploded. Electricity would not work through his webs as I'm quite sure I remember he's upgraded them because of Electro to not conduct currents. He would do his little back flips to avoid gas bombs... and on and on it would go. And actually most of the times he's been knocked out it was a gas designed for him specifically. He very will might be completely immune to batmans gas. He has shown immunity to things lake that many times before. But for arguments sake we'll say the gas can work... He'll still dodge it with ease.

Anything to do with strength, speed, agility, reflexes, and resilience are out of the question for batman to be close enough to make a difference because he is peek human in all those things. And peek isn't very impressive for the wall crawler. Spiderman is far beyond them. Not just a little better, but far far beyond them. You say batman can think several steps ahead of members of the JL and win... His victories involved him planning weeks or even months ahead of time. If he had just decided to throw down randomly with most of them he would lose even knowing their powers. He set up things in advance with preperation. And since were talking about a first time face to face encounter it's not like that. In that situation green arrow is probably the only person he could beat in the JL and it wouldn't be an easy victory. Even after all the forplanning batman has said he wasn't even sure if all his plans would even work against the JL. So him getting no planning he would loose. Now if he were to have the time, then he might win. And his strat would certainly involve not letting spider man get close enough to rip his arms off. But in a nose to nose throwdown batman would loose hands down.

"So I'll close off with saying all in all-Winner ((Spiderman)). He is the ((Guy who isn't just a human))."
Generalobiwankenobi7 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Every fandom has people who take too seriously. Who decided to write whole paragraphs on this?

I'm talking about taking hits from the Atomic Skull, Solomon Grundy, Rampage, Bizzaro, and Metallo repeatedly.

In comic books "just human" is not like it is in real life. Humans, especially ones like Batman, are capable of far more than we could ever hope to match in comic books through intense training. His superpower, being Batman.

Hardly. Various individuals without superpowers have matched him in terms of speed and agility. Black Cat and Daredevil for example. And Batman doesn't need to be a full match in terms of physical ability, just enough for his superior skill to make a difference.

I already stated speed is not an issue if one's timing and accuracy are far greater. Did you even read my responses?

Killer Croc can lift about 10. Bane, before giving up Venom could lift almost as high. Man-bat is stronger than either and Solomon Grundy and Clayface even higher. Spiderman only can lift around 10.

Do you even know the details behind Batman and Bane's battle? Let me refresh you. Bane didn't confront Batman directly. He instead took control of the organized crime left in Gotham. Then he broke every villain out of Arkham and equipped them, then along with his forces unleashed them upon Gotham. Night after night and even during the day through the week Batman had to fight them and it wore even him down. This was Bane's plan, wear Batman down until he was too weak to fight him head on, at the same time learning Batman's identity. Then after having Batman run a final gauntlet through his lieutenants before confronting Batman himself on his home turf. Then he broke his back, when Batman was too exhausted to fight back. So Bane knew he couldn't beat Batman even with venom. Then when Batman recovered he beat the guy who defeated Bane, Azreal.

I already listed the various ways Batman could defeat Spiderman, he's pulled off victories under way worse odds. Are you even reading my responses? Or just ranting now?

Batman is not most people. World's Greatest Detective here. He's going to catch on once Spiderman keeps avoiding his batarangs and bombs that no other human could possibly avoid, and without looking. Then to keep him from moving around and impede his Spidersense he'll use area attacks.

It doesn't matter how well he could dodge, the hypersonics especially will take him out because of how fast sound travels. Same with the flashbangs. The spidersense gives him a warning, but it doesn't tell him the exact nature of the danger. And no, he can't dodge if his equilibrium is impaired, that effects your whole center of balance. He'd fall flat on his face. This has happened before.

He's not used to dealing with Batman's style of weapons. The Hobgoblin and Green Goblin use similar but not the same, and certainly not in the same way.

The spidersense is really unreliable, it often warns too little too late. It's not like Wolverine's healing factor since it doesn't always work.

Batman dodges bullets by getting out of the way the instant before it fires. It still requires response time above what normal humans are capable of. But also superior timing, and he's been doing this for years. If Spiderman rushes him Batman's simply going to trip, trap, or flip him.

Spiderman still has to see their attacks to avoid them, same as Batman. Also when he lost his spidersense, he had to go through actual training to improve his reaction time. So yeah, the spidersense is still a big part of his reflexes. So if he's disoriented and can't see/hear he's wide open.

I doubt that. Beings above Spiderman's level have tried and failed and Batman's quickly figured out the best method of attack before they tried anything else. Bane got a hold of him because Batman was too worn out to do anything, try reading Knightfall. Batman wouldn't judge by appearances, when he sees how high Spiderman can jump he can guess his muscle power and know to not go strength for strength. And the strength alone isn't going to make a different due to Batman's overall mastery of combat technique. That didn't get his back broken, did you even read that storyline? And Spiderman has been beaten by hand-to-hand combat masters with less skill than Batman. Silver Sable, Kraven, and of course Captain America. So it a test of hand to hand combat Batman would still hold his own. In fact he just needs one well-placed nerve strike and the battle is over.

No, but it's still ahead of everyone else. He'd be two steps ahead of Spiderman in their battle, and figuring out a plan to win while holding him off. And yes, Batman can still keep up with him in terms of agility, perhaps better because his body is better training and more coordinated. Also, you seem to think Batman can't adapt. How long has he been doing this for? One of his greatest strengths is that he can quickly adapt and improvise.

Batman would just burn off the webs. Either through acids or through the electrical system wired up in his costume.

There are a number of things Batman keeps in his belt or costume for him to gain the upper hand, I've listed them. I've also listed the fact that Batman is so good a Marksman to hit high speed opponents like the Human Flea. He's probably as good or better a Marksman than the Punisher who was able to shoot with such precision that he hit both of Spiderman's web shooters while he was swinging. I think Batman can hit him. Also, he can back flip all he likes to avoid the gas bombs, the gas is still going to effect him. Not everything can be dodged through fancy acrobatics. And Spiderman has been knocked out with all kinds of gas before. Don't overestimate him.

More humans are peak than others, and Batman's physical prowess likely rivals Captain America's. But you can't win a battle through sheer raw power, as Batman's proven time and time again. There's a reason he's on a team that includes two superpowerful aliens, an Amazon and Atlantean warrior, a Green Lanter, and a speedster. He can keep up with them. He developed his weapons in weeks, but his plans came from observing them on the spot in battle and making notes of their strengths and weaknesses. And in all of their battles Batman is usually the one to first come up with a plan or analyze matters, that's why he's one or two steps ahead of people like Superman, Wonder Woman and even J'onn. Carrying out his plans against them would require preparation, but that's because they're so powerful. You really think Batman would confront them directly? And I hate to break it to you, Spiderman is not on any of the Big Seven's level. And Ra's already proved that those plans would work well, it was up to Batman to stop Ra's from killing the League with his own plans.

Their are more Leaguers Batman could defeat without the aid of his extensive preparations. One of those is Plastic Man, who he has on hand the tools to defeat. You seriously underestimate Batman.

Also, Spiderman has needed lots of prep time to defeat a lot of his enemies, especially new ones, because he got massacred in his first or second battle with them. Doctor Octopus, Electro, Sandman, Kraven, even the Vulture.

Go look up Batman Capability Website on Google. It has all of the feats Batman has pulled off over the years. Here's a like but I don't know if it will work.

I'll close off with saying Batman, he's more than human.
XeketDarkhand Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Not even going to read that whole block of text dude... I just realised it's a complete waist of my time trying to tell you anything. Had to stop when you said black cat had no powers... You must be confused with catwomen. Also I believe Daredevil technically has enhanced powers from the way he was blinded. Clearly you don't read comics enough to actually make an argument beyond "I like this, so it's better!" I'm not sure if you are just a common troll or if you just love batman so blindly that no one can be better. So I'm sorry your butthurt about spiderman being stronger. I mean you can ignore the facts and the fairly accurate examples Deathbattle gave. Even stating that "Being batman" is a super power. Whatever helps you through the pain man. I feeling a little to old to continue this conversation even on the internet. Hope you have a great afternoon and that Affleck does a good representation of your hero for you in that movie. Really I hope he does great. Personally I liked Bale even if he did sound like he had throat cancer the whole time but whatever. Peace bro...
Generalobiwankenobi7 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You were the one who started this whole conversation starting with several blocks of text. What did you think I was going to say? "Oh you're right my opinion doesn't matter?" Yeah right. I stick by my view. And people say batman fans are fanatical. And now you don't want to respond. Fine with me.

Black Cat doesn't, at least not any physical superpowers. Also Daredevil's agility and acrobatic skill are the result of years of training, same as Batman's.

Clearly you haven't because you don't know anything about the details about what went down with Bane in Knightfall. First off being Bane didn't win through brute force, but forced Batman into a situation that would wear down his stamina. I'm not the one who needs to brush up on his comic knowledge, since I gave you numerous examples from various comics if you actually bothered to read my responses.

I'm the troll? You started this whole nerd rant on a comment that's likely years old. I fail to see how I'm trolling. Do you just respond to all of your pointless nerd rants this way?

I don't think I'm the one who's "butthurt" since I didn't feel the need to start this little war. And yes, being Batman is essentially a superpower at this point. He's an exceptional individual. I got that quote from Grant Morrison. Spiderman is physically stronger, but superstrength is not enough to win the fight. Batman still wins.

I think you take this way too seriously my friend. Maybe you should lay off making pointless arguments about fictional characters. Please act your age. And actually I prefer Christian Bale as Batman. Goodbye, I will not miss you.
HeavyMetalArtwork Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why because he's Batman? Most of the badguys that Batman has faced aren't even close to what Spider-Man has gone against. Batman would get his ass killed if he battled most of Spidey's enemies. And a battle between Spider-Man and Batman? Spidey overclasses Batman in almost every way possible. If Spidey was bloodlusted and was going all out, he'd destroy Batman with just a punch.
Generalobiwankenobi7 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Have you read any of the Batman or Justice League comics? Batman has gone up against guys like Killer Croc, The Atomic Skull, Rampage, Deadshot, Bane, Prometheus, and Lady Shiva. All of those are more than a match for Spider Man or his enemies.

If Batman is considered one of the most dangerous members of the JLA with guys like Superman I think he can handle some of Spider-man's worst enemies.

He may be higher than Batman in strength but Batman far outclasses Spider-man in skill, experience and tactical know-how. Those abilities will decide the fight.

Hardly, if Spider-man was in a bloodlust he would be easily outsmarted and outmaneuvered by Batman. He would be wild and uncoordinated and be able stay one step ahead of due to not thinking straight. Plus Batman has taken punches from incredibly strong beings and remained conscious.

But Spider-man rarely goes into his enraged state anyways so what's your point?
HeavyMetalArtwork Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Batman's gone against strong beings and have been punched by them...okay, what's your point? Spider-Man has taken has much hell as Batman has, if not more. Spidey's been in fights with The Hulk, Thor, Captain America, fought symbiotes by himself, etc.. He's fought just as difficult/overpowering villains as Batman has. You've obviously got Spidey wrong, if he was bloodlusted he'd be able to maneuver Batman's attacked a lot more easily and would focus all his attention on Bats. And chances of Batman touching Spidey even once is rare and unrealistic. Batman could never match Spider-Man at speed. Batman beating Spider-Man by himself is unlikely, he would probably need the Justice League's help. Bane, Killer Croc, and Lady Shiva being matches for Spider-Man is a joke. Spidey overclasses them all. Spidey has fought many villains which overpower him and all of the villains you just stated.
Generalobiwankenobi7 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So Batman can hold his own against Spider-man and take his blows. That's my point. If he can take blows from Soloman Grundy Spider-man is not out of his league.

First off if Thor and Spider-man fought head-to-head Spider-man is in serious trouble. Second I've read a comic where Cap and Spidey went at it, and Spidey got his behind thrown all over the room. Yet when Batman and Captain America fought in the Avengers/JLA crossover they fought to a stalemate. Fighting the Hulk for Spider-man usually consists of Spider-man leaping around to keep out of the Hulk's reach before lining up a good punch, which usually hurts him more than it does the Hulk.

Beating Symbiotes isn't a big accomplishment. They're powerful yes but once you know their weaknesses they're pretty easy to take out. The trouble for Spider-man is they're shape-shifters who cannot be detected by his spider sense.

If Spider-man was bloodlusted he would become a raging maniac. I've seen him do this before and his attack are frenzied, wild, and uncoordinated. That will not help him win against someone as skilled and experienced as Batman.

Batman knows how to defeat someone with high speed and agility, by making his own moves more efficient and skillful to compensate. But seeing as Batman has agility and reflexes almost on par with Spider-man thanks to his training so yes he can touch him. And he can think several steps ahead of Spider-man and find ways to outmaneuver him on the terrain they're fighting on. Batman really doesn't need the Justice League's help against Spidey.

Hardly, Lady Shiva is one of the best fighters on the DC earth and has defeated meta-human opponents. Yet Batman is a more skilled fighter than her. Bane and Croc are both physically stronger than Spider-man and Bane has the fighting skills and Intelligence to match. Spider-man is going to have a hard time with these guys.

Spidey has never fought any of Batman's or the Justice Leagues villains. He has no experience with these.

So has Batman, your point. And he has done it through sheer skill and tactical cunning, both areas he exceeds even Spider-man in.

Sorry but from what I've seen of the two it's my opinion Batman would emerge victorious, we must agree to disagree then.
HeavyMetalArtwork Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"high speed and agility" that's what you just realize Spider-Man is 20x faster than a normal person. The only reason Spidey gets his butt kicked by Captain America is because of bad writing and because Spidey was holding back the whole time. Spidey respects Cap and wouldn't want to fight him in the first place. And actually, that's my point, he's fought the Hulk and been able to survive various times because of his intelligence, speed, and agility. You don't have to fight fist-to-fist/brawl to win, Spidey is just as smart as Batman. And the whole thing with Batman beating the Justice League is because he has known all the superheroes within the league for years. If it wasn't for his past experiences, Batman would be fucked. Also, you realize Bane and Croc are no where close to the strength of Spider-Man. Bane can lift about: 3 tons([link](New_Earth))and Croc can lift about 5-10 tons, whereas Spider-Man has been able to lift about 40 tons atleast, probably more at this point. whereas Batman is awesome in my opinion just as much as Spider-Man, but him beating Spider-Man in a fight is unlikely, and your huge pointless essay did not help the situation or change my mind. Batman is cool and all and I respect what he's done in the past, but Spider-Man is just as badass as him.
Generalobiwankenobi7 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Unfortunately for him Batman is not a normal person. His agility and reflexes have allowed him to avoid gunfire and blows from superhumans.

No, it was superior fighting skill on Caps part, as well as clever use of his mighty shield. Spider-man wasn't holding back due to being under the brainwashing influence of Ultron. And before you say mind-control doesn't allow your full potential it was a brainwashing technique that made him think Captain America was an assassin that killed Aunt May. If anything it was Captain America who was holding back to avoid hurting Spider-man.

And, that doesn't mean he has the capability to beat Batman who could also most likely survive fighting the Hulk.

Spider-man's smart but he's far outclassed in Intellect by Batman, as well as overall experience.

So would Spider-man, but Batman goes up against unknown opponents many times and either wins or survives. When did I bring up the Justice League?

That's bull, Spider-man's strength limit is 10 tons, 12 at most. Bane can lift well up to 15 tons with Venom and Croc around 10 tons.

I like Spider-man, but Batman's superior skill, experience and cunning would win over Spider-man. His ability to anticipate his enemies moves and find their weaknesses quickly in the middle of battle will beat Spider-man's superpowered fighting ability.
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